February 17, 2009 at 1:21 am
louisevb (2/17/2009)
Oops it is Gail, sorry i am half asleep morning 😀
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Either works, I don't mind.
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February 17, 2009 at 7:23 am
GilaMonster (2/17/2009)
louisevb (2/17/2009)
Oops it is Gail, sorry i am half asleep morning 😀😀
Either works, I don't mind.
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February 17, 2009 at 10:58 am
louisevb (2/17/2009)
Hey Jeff, thanx man another great website and a freebie . . bonus!!
You bet... thanks for the feedback.
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February 17, 2009 at 12:57 pm
louisevb (2/17/2009)
Hi Max, so glad this website was recommended to me getting great advise. Thanx so much for those website, they are excellent. 🙂
Absolute pleasure, wish I could go through the excitement of learning from scratch again... almost! 😀 But the best thing about SQL is finding out how to do something completely differently even after doing it the same way for years and, of course, watching some of the maestros in action here.
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February 17, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Something that was really helpful to me when I was first learning how to build databases and code them was Microsoft's wizards for various things. I'd open the table designer, build the table through the designer, then tell it to provide the script for what I'd just done. That made it very intuitive for me, since I could build basic things through the wizards, and see how they did what they did.
Once I could anticipate "well, the wizard would produce a script that would look like ...", then I didn't need to use the wizards any more. Once I was really comfortable with that, I could take the pieces and make them do things the wizards would choke to death on because of complexity, without touching the mouse or anything but a text editor. Not that I don't use other tools to make it easier, but the ability to do that is very satisfying.
Starting out with looking at what automated wizards do was very helpful to me. Might work out well for you too.
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February 18, 2009 at 1:11 am
That is a great idea. Will definitely give it a try. Thanx a mill!!
February 18, 2009 at 5:21 am
GSquared (2/17/2009)
Something that was really helpful to me when I was first learning how to build databases and code them was Microsoft's wizards for various things. I'd open the table designer, build the table through the designer, then tell it to provide the script for what I'd just done. That made it very intuitive for me, since I could build basic things through the wizards, and see how they did what they did.Once I could anticipate "well, the wizard would produce a script that would look like ...", then I didn't need to use the wizards any more. Once I was really comfortable with that, I could take the pieces and make them do things the wizards would choke to death on because of complexity, without touching the mouse or anything but a text editor. Not that I don't use other tools to make it easier, but the ability to do that is very satisfying.
Starting out with looking at what automated wizards do was very helpful to me. Might work out well for you too.
Yeah, that is very good advice! Adding on to it just a bit, you can also usually see the scripts that the GUI is going to apply for you, which is another good way to learn how things are done.
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February 18, 2009 at 6:03 am
If you don't mind I would advice you (on top of this all this good advices) to go to Microsoft site and look for a webcasts and Labs on SQL Server
My favorite ones are
1. from Kimberly Tripp
-A Primer to Proper SQL Server Development
--SQL Server 2005 for the IT Professional
those two are just amazing
2. SQL Server 2005 Essentials webcasts -14 parts series
3. SQL Server 2005 Series -10 parts
4. SQL Server MasterClass
also really good and interesting (to me) is
5. ADO.NET Step by Step videos (1-16 parts)
there is much more than this, but you already know that 😀
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February 19, 2009 at 3:18 am
Hi Doc, thanx had a quick look at it and will definetly work through all of them, they will most certainly help me in a big way. Great stuff!!
February 20, 2009 at 9:00 am
Lots of good advice has already been given, but here is my bit...
Try Google to find if there is a SQL Server user group near you. They often have sessions on how to exploit SQL Server. Some of the stuff may be over your head the first few times, but eventually you will understand what is going on.
If you have some money to spend, consider getting a TechNet subscription. The download-only version is about GBP 260 for year 1, dropping to about GBP 200 after that. You get all the Windows versions, all the SQL Server versions, and all the Office software. If you can work out how to install Windows 2003, Windows 2008, and install SQL Server on top of that, you will have achieved a lot.
The biggest problem you are likely to face is convincing an employer you have the necessary skills. It will be very difficult to get a recruitment agency to forward your details to a prospective employer if you do not have a work history of using the skills. Also, many employers are reluctant to deal with prospective employees without a relevant work history.
One way around this is to see if any of your friends are working as DBAs, and get them to put your details forward if a vacancy occurs. Of course, you will need to convince your friend you have the skills worth presenting to their employer, but you have plenty of time and opportunity to do this face to face.
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February 24, 2009 at 6:26 pm
For absolute beginners I think this tutorial is really good.
February 25, 2009 at 8:18 am
Yes you are absolutely correct and that is my main concern . . the lack of experience part, but i am confident it will work out, at least i have excellent working references and that should count for something . . i hope 😀 Thanx for the input!
February 25, 2009 at 8:22 am
Thank you, will check it out tonight, have received so many good sites and i am sure that this will be another one that i can add to the list. 🙂
March 2, 2009 at 7:10 pm
i second that this site is very good for learning.
http://www.w3schools.com/sql/default.asp
for a dba try
http://www.sqlcourse.com/intro.html
hope this helps also this site is very good 🙂
March 3, 2009 at 3:25 am
Thanx have soooo much material to look at now . . . i can't go wrong 😀 I appreciate everyones input!
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