March 14, 2016 at 10:45 am
My Windows 10 horror story - just peruse the Internet on any given day. I know there are people who like 10, but frankly I don't understand it. Why anyone would want to use an OS that takes all of your data and shares it with Microsoft is beyond me.
Haven't these people heard of hackers getting in to systems and doing malicious things? Doesn't it make sense that the more people who have copies of your data, the more likely you are to get compromised? Doesn't it make sense that since the government in the US is forcing companies (some don't require very much arm twisting at all) to share everything with the feds, and since our government seems to get hacked daily, that using 10 is akin to just unlocking your front door and putting a sign up that says "come and get me!"
Even Microsoft has started using Linux, not just to market SQL Server. If you don't even trust your own product to run your company, why would I?
We depend on MS products for our livelihood, in whole or in part. That does not mean we have to accept the incredibly poor decisions the company is making. Isn't it time people stood up and said enough is enough?
Dave
March 14, 2016 at 10:54 am
Dag nabbit, dang kids these days with their pretty pichers and icons. In my day we used 3.5" floppies. And we liked it!
March 14, 2016 at 11:05 am
umailedit (3/14/2016)
Is anyone here worried about windows 10 spying on you? It sends stuff to microsoft even after you turn off all the spy options.I use my linux computers mostly and windows computer is there only for the rare software that I cannot run on linux.
People don't understand the level of spying going on. Examples of political sites visited are interesting, although I disagree that the government doesn't care about that. Didn't anyone notice the so-called Attorney General we have stated they are considering charging people with a crime just because they don't agree with the global warming BS? Do you really think the people in power aren't tracking who is pro-Trump or pro-Sanders?
Further, EVERYTHING on your PC is shared with MS, who in turn provides it to any fed who asks. Why do I want my bank account information, my passwords, et cetera, in the hands of the feds or MS?
People need to wake up and smell the violation of the constitution!
One last point, those who like to say they have nothing to hide, please email me your bank routing numbers and passwords. You have nothing to hide, right?
Dave
March 14, 2016 at 4:04 pm
Rod at work (3/14/2016)
...I'm done with them forever...
Probably puts a few of us off too.
Gaz
-- Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...they're everywhere!!!
March 15, 2016 at 7:22 am
djackson 22568 (3/14/2016)
umailedit (3/14/2016)
Is anyone here worried about windows 10 spying on you? It sends stuff to microsoft even after you turn off all the spy options.I use my linux computers mostly and windows computer is there only for the rare software that I cannot run on linux.
People don't understand the level of spying going on. Examples of political sites visited are interesting, although I disagree that the government doesn't care about that. Didn't anyone notice the so-called Attorney General we have stated they are considering charging people with a crime just because they don't agree with the global warming BS? Do you really think the people in power aren't tracking who is pro-Trump or pro-Sanders?
Further, EVERYTHING on your PC is shared with MS, who in turn provides it to any fed who asks. Why do I want my bank account information, my passwords, et cetera, in the hands of the feds or MS?
People need to wake up and smell the violation of the constitution!
One last point, those who like to say they have nothing to hide, please email me your bank routing numbers and passwords. You have nothing to hide, right?
Little bit tinfoil, isn't it? First, *how* can MS share everything on your hard drive? Ever thought about how much bandwidth that would take? Second, it's easy to turn off most of the telemetry when you install 10. Just make sure to do a custom install when it asks. Or change the settings afterward. You can google how.
Third, if you're REALLY paranoid just block all MS IP addresses that receive telemetry on your firewall. You can easily google those addresses.
Personally, I have no trouble with 10, there's been a few hiccups early on but they fixed those, and all the upgrades I've done (online from home and from a retail copy at home (Vista machine, cough), and a dozen at work, both 32-bit and 64-bit) have all gone swimmingly. Nary a glitch in the lot.
I like 10. Much better than 8.1, which admittedly ran quickly and smoothly on an array of old hardware. (But that interface, blech).
This article isn't a Win 10 horror story, it's a backup horror story. 😛 I learned my lesson back in the CP/M days when I formatted my drive A: (a whopping 5MB!)--which I didn't realize was on the SAME DRIVE as my 5MB drive B: backup partition. Oops! (laughing)
March 15, 2016 at 7:53 am
roger.plowman (3/15/2016)
djackson 22568 (3/14/2016)
umailedit (3/14/2016)
Is anyone here worried about windows 10 spying on you? It sends stuff to microsoft even after you turn off all the spy options.I use my linux computers mostly and windows computer is there only for the rare software that I cannot run on linux.
People don't understand the level of spying going on. Examples of political sites visited are interesting, although I disagree that the government doesn't care about that. Didn't anyone notice the so-called Attorney General we have stated they are considering charging people with a crime just because they don't agree with the global warming BS? Do you really think the people in power aren't tracking who is pro-Trump or pro-Sanders?
Further, EVERYTHING on your PC is shared with MS, who in turn provides it to any fed who asks. Why do I want my bank account information, my passwords, et cetera, in the hands of the feds or MS?
People need to wake up and smell the violation of the constitution!
One last point, those who like to say they have nothing to hide, please email me your bank routing numbers and passwords. You have nothing to hide, right?
Little bit tinfoil, isn't it? First, *how* can MS share everything on your hard drive? Ever thought about how much bandwidth that would take? Second, it's easy to turn off most of the telemetry when you install 10. Just make sure to do a custom install when it asks. Or change the settings afterward. You can google how.
Third, if you're REALLY paranoid just block all MS IP addresses that receive telemetry on your firewall. You can easily google those addresses.
Personally, I have no trouble with 10, there's been a few hiccups early on but they fixed those, and all the upgrades I've done (online from home and from a retail copy at home (Vista machine, cough), and a dozen at work, both 32-bit and 64-bit) have all gone swimmingly. Nary a glitch in the lot.
I like 10. Much better than 8.1, which admittedly ran quickly and smoothly on an array of old hardware. (But that interface, blech).
This article isn't a Win 10 horror story, it's a backup horror story. 😛 I learned my lesson back in the CP/M days when I formatted my drive A: (a whopping 5MB!)--which I didn't realize was on the SAME DRIVE as my 5MB drive B: backup partition. Oops! (laughing)
Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get me. 🙂
Seriously, there are plenty of articles from experts, not just me, where they did everything you said and found W10 was STILL phoning home.
Second, read the license agreement where it states you agree to share your data. All of it.
Third, to me, a story that starts off telling how an upgrade to W10 destroyed someone's data isn't a backup story, it is a W10 sucks story. Now I understand that I am reading it in a way that may not have been the author's intent. However my ability to "read between the lines" so to speak, is what has made me successful. Sure I could focus on the loss of data, but I prefer to do root cause analysis. In this case, the root cause of the failure was $h11ty MS software.
How would everyone respond if we upgraded SQL Server and it deleted all of your data? Why should I NEED to go to a backup just because I upgraded a product that is supposed to handle that?
Lastly, we can't gauge W10 by a standard like "experts can just block the IP addresses" because by definition, most people aren't experts. W10 is just the first step down a slippery slope. Why are we taking that step instead of finding another path?
JMO
Dave
March 15, 2016 at 8:18 am
GeorgeCopeland (3/14/2016)
lol ouch sorry Rod.I am IT support for everyone who loves me. It is ok.
I always set their photos folder to cloud storage somewhere. Everyone has some.
All Windows 10 upgrades so far have been great, in fact, I was able to resurrect some broken laptops by upgrading them.
I haven't seen a Surface upgrade yet, I thought those things upgraded themselves.
Thank you, George.
Kindest Regards, Rod Connect with me on LinkedIn.
March 15, 2016 at 8:47 am
djackson, I seriously do not agree with you. 1) Microsoft has a place in the enterprise. There is no question about that. 2) I have done a ton of Win10 upgrades on personal machines and I have not encountered a single problem yet. I suspect that the reason is my level of experience with MS upgrades. 3) Win10 upgrade functionality is elaborate. I know a little about providing elaborate system functionality. MS spent millions developing and user testing it. 4) You appear to want a perfect upgrade experience, every time. I wish for the same but there are a million things that can go wrong. I do not blame their developers if they can't anticipate every goofy thing that somebody does or that could possibly go wrong. 5) Like I said, the problem in the original story could have been fixed with a little bit of cloud. MS is one of the vendors that gives the stuff away for free. I'm not sure what else you want from them.
March 15, 2016 at 9:20 am
GeorgeCopeland (3/15/2016)
djackson, I seriously do not agree with you. 1) Microsoft has a place in the enterprise. There is no question about that. 2) I have done a ton of Win10 upgrades on personal machines and I have not encountered a single problem yet. I suspect that the reason is my level of experience with MS upgrades. 3) Win10 upgrade functionality is elaborate. I know a little about providing elaborate system functionality. MS spent millions developing and user testing it. 4) You appear to want a perfect upgrade experience, every time. I wish for the same but there are a million things that can go wrong. I do not blame their developers if they can't anticipate every goofy thing that somebody does or that could possibly go wrong. 5) Like I said, the problem in the original story could have been fixed with a little bit of cloud. MS is one of the vendors that gives the stuff away for free. I'm not sure what else you want from them.
If SQL Server Central had an up vote system you'd get my +1 right now.
This a million times this.
March 15, 2016 at 9:28 am
djackson 22568 (3/15/2016)
roger.plowman (3/15/2016)
djackson 22568 (3/14/2016)
umailedit (3/14/2016)
Is anyone here worried about windows 10 spying on you? It sends stuff to microsoft even after you turn off all the spy options.I use my linux computers mostly and windows computer is there only for the rare software that I cannot run on linux.
People don't understand the level of spying going on. Examples of political sites visited are interesting, although I disagree that the government doesn't care about that. Didn't anyone notice the so-called Attorney General we have stated they are considering charging people with a crime just because they don't agree with the global warming BS? Do you really think the people in power aren't tracking who is pro-Trump or pro-Sanders?
Further, EVERYTHING on your PC is shared with MS, who in turn provides it to any fed who asks. Why do I want my bank account information, my passwords, et cetera, in the hands of the feds or MS?
People need to wake up and smell the violation of the constitution!
One last point, those who like to say they have nothing to hide, please email me your bank routing numbers and passwords. You have nothing to hide, right?
Little bit tinfoil, isn't it? First, *how* can MS share everything on your hard drive? Ever thought about how much bandwidth that would take? Second, it's easy to turn off most of the telemetry when you install 10. Just make sure to do a custom install when it asks. Or change the settings afterward. You can google how.
Third, if you're REALLY paranoid just block all MS IP addresses that receive telemetry on your firewall. You can easily google those addresses.
Personally, I have no trouble with 10, there's been a few hiccups early on but they fixed those, and all the upgrades I've done (online from home and from a retail copy at home (Vista machine, cough), and a dozen at work, both 32-bit and 64-bit) have all gone swimmingly. Nary a glitch in the lot.
I like 10. Much better than 8.1, which admittedly ran quickly and smoothly on an array of old hardware. (But that interface, blech).
This article isn't a Win 10 horror story, it's a backup horror story. 😛 I learned my lesson back in the CP/M days when I formatted my drive A: (a whopping 5MB!)--which I didn't realize was on the SAME DRIVE as my 5MB drive B: backup partition. Oops! (laughing)
Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get me. 🙂
Seriously, there are plenty of articles from experts, not just me, where they did everything you said and found W10 was STILL phoning home.
Second, read the license agreement where it states you agree to share your data. All of it.
Third, to me, a story that starts off telling how an upgrade to W10 destroyed someone's data isn't a backup story, it is a W10 sucks story. Now I understand that I am reading it in a way that may not have been the author's intent. However my ability to "read between the lines" so to speak, is what has made me successful. Sure I could focus on the loss of data, but I prefer to do root cause analysis. In this case, the root cause of the failure was $h11ty MS software.
How would everyone respond if we upgraded SQL Server and it deleted all of your data? Why should I NEED to go to a backup just because I upgraded a product that is supposed to handle that?
Lastly, we can't gauge W10 by a standard like "experts can just block the IP addresses" because by definition, most people aren't experts. W10 is just the first step down a slippery slope. Why are we taking that step instead of finding another path?
JMO
Ed Bott covers this pretty well:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-telemetry-secrets/
He's had several articles debunking "OMG, MS is stealing all my stuff!".
About the article, it's a "backup story" as much as anything. Personally, I don't believe the bit about a temporary profile, since I've never encountered anything like that when updating 10. The guy had an external backup device and didn't use it. Then (somehow) he moved some pictures and somehow lost them?
How is that 10's fault?
Finally, about the firewall, sure it's for experts, but personally I've never felt the need. Check out Ed's articles (he's got several on the issue) then see what you think.
March 15, 2016 at 9:43 am
GeorgeCopeland (3/15/2016)
djackson, I seriously do not agree with you. 1) Microsoft has a place in the enterprise. There is no question about that. 2) I have done a ton of Win10 upgrades on personal machines and I have not encountered a single problem yet. I suspect that the reason is my level of experience with MS upgrades. 3) Win10 upgrade functionality is elaborate. I know a little about providing elaborate system functionality. MS spent millions developing and user testing it. 4) You appear to want a perfect upgrade experience, every time. I wish for the same but there are a million things that can go wrong. I do not blame their developers if they can't anticipate every goofy thing that somebody does or that could possibly go wrong. 5) Like I said, the problem in the original story could have been fixed with a little bit of cloud. MS is one of the vendors that gives the stuff away for free. I'm not sure what else you want from them.
It is not free. You may not pay for it in cash, but you are paying for it. Milton Friedman said it best, there is no such thing as a free lunch.
Also, other than my concerns with privacy, mostly everything you said above I can agree with. I am not debating those points.
Dave
March 15, 2016 at 10:25 am
You pay for free services like cloud storage with your usage data. In aggregate this is easy to monetize and I am glad to give it. I trust MS and Google as much as anybody. Amazon has all of my credit card numbers on disk. I am pretty sure that they don't reveal anything to anybody without a court order. If they did, nobody would trust them, so they have a big incentive to protect privacy.
March 15, 2016 at 10:40 am
My Dad did his own Windows 10 upgrade without a hitch yet he managed to create a second Farcebook account when trying to use that.
Gaz
-- Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...they're everywhere!!!
March 15, 2016 at 10:40 am
GeorgeCopeland (3/15/2016)
You pay for free services like cloud storage with your usage data. In aggregate this is easy to monetize and I am glad to give it. I trust MS and Google as much as anybody. Amazon has all of my credit card numbers on disk. I am pretty sure that they don't reveal anything to anybody without a court order. If they did, nobody would trust them, so they have a big incentive to protect privacy.
You mean amazon hasn't been hacked yet? What will happen to your cc numbers then?
Trusting MS and google just isn't enough you have to trust the hackers who hack into them also.
I personally trust only paypal with my cc. Every one else I pay with paypal. If paypal gets hacked I am screwed but not if anyone else is hacked.
I have chosen to trust paypal otherwise I wouldn't be able to buy anything online.
March 15, 2016 at 10:47 am
umailedit (3/15/2016)
You mean amazon hasn't been hacked yet? What will happen to your cc numbers then?
Trusting MS and google just isn't enough you have to trust the hackers who hack into them also.
I personally trust only paypal with my cc. Every one else I pay with paypal. If paypal gets hacked I am screwed but not if anyone else is hacked.
I have chosen to trust paypal otherwise I wouldn't be able to buy anything online.
The solution for you is to unplug your workstation from the power supply and sit in the middle of a locked room. Your security then will be better but still far from perfect.
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