July 8, 2014 at 9:02 pm
Comments posted to this topic are about the item Paying It Forward
July 8, 2014 at 11:49 pm
I agree with the author. No words for people who are not willing to share their ideas as they don't belong to this world. Are they sure about they haven't stole any ideas from anybody??
The below lines applicable to anybody
"known is a drop.. unknown is an ocean"
The advantage of internet is sharing things to save our counterparts who might be in need of a valuable suggestion which will save him and his job and the other guy gets a satisfaction when somebody thanks from other part of the world.
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July 9, 2014 at 2:47 am
Ouch exactly - there is a reason why open source is steadily gaining ground - the wisdom of the masses always out trumps individuals in the long term.
If you can't beat them you may as well join them.
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July 9, 2014 at 4:20 am
1. I think people that steal others ideas get found out - you can tell people that really know their stuff from people who don't.
2. I also think the online community is becoming more expectant of proper referencing and credit. We're in a new normal where crowd knowledge is a standard model, where we expect to share ideas and build knowledge collaboratively.
3. The true guru's out there are those that share freely. They deserve all the credit that they get.
4. I always feel pretty junior compared to what I read and so I don't blog myself (though I am thinking about it for the future), but if I do, the primary reason would be to help me learn the concepts more rigorously, followed by the hope that it'd help someone else (just one would be enough), and also to help network with peers.
Can't believe anyone would really see it differently.
July 9, 2014 at 6:11 am
karthik babu (7/8/2014)
I agree with the author. No words for people who are not willing to share their ideas as they don't belong to this world. Are they sure about they haven't stole any ideas from anybody??The below lines applicable to anybody
"known is a drop.. unknown is an ocean"
The advantage of internet is sharing things to save our counterparts who might be in need of a valuable suggestion which will save him and his job and the other guy gets a satisfaction when somebody thanks from other part of the world.
Isn't that a bit harsh? I know several people who break out in sweats when asked to do a presentation. They have a real fear of public speaking. They also fear wrath if they contribute to a blog and make an error. I think that maybe a bit more compassion and understanding for those who don't contribute. You don't know why they are not contributing.
Tom
July 9, 2014 at 6:50 am
I think there is a difference between someone with a fear of public speaking and those unwilling to share because they are afraid others might "steal" their ideas. At some point we all hit the web to find the answers to some puzzling issue we are having and to say you don't want someone stealing your idea's is to be a hypocrite. Even those with a fear of public speaking usually answer question after question from junior developers within their companies.
July 9, 2014 at 6:52 am
That same day, I was talking with another DBA about if he might be interested in creating a presentation for an upcoming SQL Saturday, and his response was (paraphrased) "Why do I want to put the effort into that just to have someone steal my ideas from the slides?"
The whole point of a user group or SQLSaturday presentation is for the presenter to share ideas, most of which he "stole" from somewhere else. If the audience doesn't walk away with ("steal") a few new ideas, then the presentation was a waste of time.
"Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Instead, seek what they sought." - Matsuo Basho
July 9, 2014 at 7:13 am
IMHO, the mere presence of the Internet in our world has made it difficult for any original thought to be claimed or any glory to be garnered from your knowledge. Meaning, before the Internet, when I heard something profound from someone I used to think, "Wow, either that guy is really smart or he spends a LOT of time in the library". Today, I simply assume, "she probably 'googled' that". So, to me, Andy, you have the right approach. Do it for the gratifying reward of helping others...a win-win situation as they get your help you get that warm fuzzy feeling that comes with helping. Thanks for writing something in Steve's absence. For me, it was well received.
July 9, 2014 at 7:26 am
This brings to mind the old saw: "Good programmers write code. Great programmers steal it."
Maybe we could add the corollary: "Awesome programmers share it."
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July 9, 2014 at 7:27 am
OCTom (7/9/2014)
karthik babu (7/8/2014)
I agree with the author. No words for people who are not willing to share their ideas as they don't belong to this world. Are they sure about they haven't stole any ideas from anybody??The below lines applicable to anybody
"known is a drop.. unknown is an ocean"
The advantage of internet is sharing things to save our counterparts who might be in need of a valuable suggestion which will save him and his job and the other guy gets a satisfaction when somebody thanks from other part of the world.
Isn't that a bit harsh? I know several people who break out in sweats when asked to do a presentation. They have a real fear of public speaking. They also fear wrath if they contribute to a blog and make an error. I think that maybe a bit more compassion and understanding for those who don't contribute. You don't know why they are not contributing.
Tom
@OCTom - I completely understand that some people have a fear of public speaking, or think they don't write well, or just don't have time for one reason or another - I don't fault any of that, and as I mentioned my own blogging and presenting efforts slide up and down with my family's needs.
As to the fear of the wrath of others I have found quite the contrary - when I first started blogging on my site and then when I first was syndicated on SQL Server Central, I received some very friendly and helpful comments from some members of the #sqlfamily that I never though would ever have time to read my stuff...and that encouragement is what led to me writing the editorial that we are discussing 🙂
I don't want anyone to think that the point of this article is to say "if you don't blog and present then you aren't trying hard enough and are part of the problem" - far from it. However I do want to highlight the benefits (to my eye) of speaking and writing and call out those who think there is no point sharing because they want to hoard knowledge - as several posters have called out, there is very little original knowledge - almost everything you know was originally from someone else's original research and documentation.
So spread it around in whichever way you are comfortable - write, speak, even just help the person across from you in the cubes - it will help you as well!
July 9, 2014 at 7:30 am
Eric M Russell (7/9/2014)
That same day, I was talking with another DBA about if he might be interested in creating a presentation for an upcoming SQL Saturday, and his response was (paraphrased) "Why do I want to put the effort into that just to have someone steal my ideas from the slides?"
The whole point of a user group or SQLSaturday presentation is for the presenter to share ideas, most of which he "stole" from somewhere else. If the audience doesn't walk away with ("steal") a few new ideas, then the presentation was a waste of time.
Nice take on it. I agree that people should be able to take something away from it. It's part of the learning.
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July 9, 2014 at 7:36 am
reuben.anderson (7/9/2014)
2. I also think the online community is becoming more expectant of proper referencing and credit. We're in a new normal where crowd knowledge is a standard model, where we expect to share ideas and build knowledge collaboratively.4. I always feel pretty junior compared to what I read ...
Can't believe anyone would really see it differently.
2. Exactly, and if someone doesn't give a reference, my next thought is, "they learned that from Google". They have to be a commanding authority on a topic before I'd think anything else.
4. I'm glad you said that. I thought I was the only one thinking that for myself. Your comment is a fine example that help comes in all forms, especially for someone like me who has a fairly negative self perception. It always helps me to know out of the billions on the planet, I'm not the only one feeling that way.
Thanks for sharing.
July 9, 2014 at 7:37 am
I could care less about someone stealing my ideas. However there are those out there that treat abuse the community like many abuse Welfare or Food stamps.
Just yesterday I had to deal with a Major Software vender that is trying to get me to train their new SQL staff.
Literaly they call at 9PM instead of 1PM, apologize for the "confusion" and explained that our account manager said I would help them out. These people I am helping have trouble typing in a password correctly and do not know the difference between a table and a view.
I love helping and teaching other professionals that are experienced, have made the effort to find answers, and are looking for a better way.
However, if you are getting paid to do SQL work and do not know what a covering index is then you need to quit and let someone that actually deserves your paycheck earn it.
I will admit to you all that when I lived in Dallas there was a three year period I made over 200K just consulting people that had accidently hired someone that said they where a DBA. Most of them either did not know how to read documentation, best practices articles, or just called others for answers they did not understand or know how to execute.
If you have never been paid over 10K for about an hours work where all you did was set, the server back to defaults, back up databases for the first time a year after creation, defragged all the databases indexes, and started tran log backups you may not understand anything in this post.
If you have then you know just how much people will pay someone so they can be robbed by them.
How much more they will pay to feel safe again.
July 9, 2014 at 7:43 am
PHYData DBA (7/9/2014)
I could care less about someone stealing my ideas. However there are those out there thattreatabuse the community like many abuse Welfare or Food stamps....
However, if you are getting paid to do SQL work and do not know what a covering index is then you need to quit and let someone that actually deserves your paycheck earn it.
The abuse is frustrating.
The covering index bit reminds me of vendors who have never heard the term "deadlock". And since they have never heard of it, it must be a very rare species and it must be something you did or it is not worth worrying about.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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July 9, 2014 at 7:47 am
SQLRNNR (7/9/2014)
PHYData DBA (7/9/2014)
I could care less about someone stealing my ideas. However there are those out there thattreatabuse the community like many abuse Welfare or Food stamps....
However, if you are getting paid to do SQL work and do not know what a covering index is then you need to quit and let someone that actually deserves your paycheck earn it.
The abuse is frustrating.
The covering index bit reminds me of vendors who have never heard the term "deadlock". And since they have never heard of it, it must be a very rare species and it must be something you did or it is not worth worrying about.
Right - I have had that conversation at various events - there is a fine line between #sqlhelp and free consulting, and everyone has to draw that line for themselves.
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