data mining
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hi .i want to write an algorithm for a football game.
my team is red.so i want to implement this algorithm with data mining .
the information that i have :
the position of all players(10 players)
the position of the ball.
so i am going to generate my data for data mining input ,
my idea to do that is generate random position of the players ,and we insert these position to the database and after that we find a path for the ball (the sequence of players position (passing the ball)) to goal .i want the generate some of these position as an input for data mining .so after generating data we find the pattern in my data and implement this pattern to my algorithm. so the important thing is generate data for my data mining .
is it going to work ?
for example:
suppose i generated this position :
i have all position of all players so i want to generate a path for ball to win(red team) (the sequence of pass of player )
so i want to generate a path for ball to goal:
so in this position the number 4(red) passes the ball to number five .after that number 4 and 5 should run and after that the number 5 should pass to 4 and after that number 4 shoots the ball and the red team gets a point .so these the sequence of position (x,y)
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Do you know what Data Mining is?
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Pablo (Paul) BerzukovAuthor of Understanding Database Administration available at Amazon and other bookstores.
Disclaimer: Advice is provided to the best of my knowledge but no implicit or explicit warranties are provided. Since the advisor explicitly encourages testing any and all suggestions on a test non-production environment advisor should not held liable or responsible for any actions taken based on the given advice. -
yes ,i work with sql server for data mining
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Larry Page(Ehsan.Akbar) (4/15/2012)
yes ,i work with sql server for data miningOkay... please tell us which would be the target dataset you are planing to source from. Also, do you think of football (soccer) as a combinational game?
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Pablo (Paul) BerzukovAuthor of Understanding Database Administration available at Amazon and other bookstores.
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Yeah, dont think DM is the right tool for your game....
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This thing is addressing problems that dont exist. Its solution-ism at its worst. We are dumbing down machines that are inherently superior. - Gilfoyle -
PaulB-TheOneAndOnly (4/15/2012)
Larry Page(Ehsan.Akbar) (4/15/2012)
yes ,i work with sql server for data miningOkay... please tell us which would be the target dataset you are planing to source from. Also, do you think of football (soccer) as a combinational game?
what do you mean?could you explain more?
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Henrico Bekker (4/15/2012)
Yeah, dont think DM is the right tool for your game....so my problem is which information should be inserted in my database as an input ?
this is my idea: i want to insert all position of my players(x,y) and other team's position so and the sequence of the ball's position .do you think this is going to be my input ?
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baaaaaaaaaaaaaleh!!! (Ehs_Akb) -
The longer I watch this thread unfold, the more troll-like it seems.
Perhaps you would provide a fuller statement of requirements to help us understand why you are doing this. And what you are hoping that SQL Server will give you.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
- Martin Rees
The absence of consumable DDL, sample data and desired results is, however, evidence of the absence of my response
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Phil Parkin (4/16/2012)
The longer I watch this thread unfold, the more troll-like it seems.Perhaps you would provide a fuller statement of requirements to help us understand why you are doing this. And what you are hoping that SQL Server will give you.
suppose that you gave all information about your team's position and other team and the way that the ball could be goal.
so when you gave these information to the database you can find discover these data with mining algorithms such as microsoft decision tree and .... so it gives you the pattern that this pattern could be implemented in your application .
so what do you think you think this isn't the solution ?
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baaaaaaaaaaaaaleh!!! (Ehs_Akb) -
Larry Page(Ehsan.Akbar) (4/16/2012)
Phil Parkin (4/16/2012)
The longer I watch this thread unfold, the more troll-like it seems.Perhaps you would provide a fuller statement of requirements to help us understand why you are doing this. And what you are hoping that SQL Server will give you.
suppose that you gave all information about your team's position and other team and the way that the ball could be goal.
so when you gave these information to the database you can find discover these data with mining algorithms such as microsoft decision tree and .... so it gives you the pattern that this pattern could be implemented in your application .
so what do you think you think this isn't the solution ?
Football players are in almost continuous movement, making this idea unworkable, in my opinion. If they stood still, maybe you would have a chance.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
- Martin Rees
The absence of consumable DDL, sample data and desired results is, however, evidence of the absence of my response
- Phil Parkin -
ok, what is your idea about reaching to goal and winning the Game ,
We think that Data mining should give us the answer! (The answer is: how should the strategy be chosen to reach goal)
and the point is we don't know what should we give as input to get answer (Output in my opinion: the movement of players to reaching the goal ) in output.
so the Questions:
1- will using Data mining Give us the usefull method for coaching the team? if not what should we do?
2- if the DM will answer us, what should we give it as input and so with that input we could get the best output .
"simplicity is the ultimate sophistication."
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Larry Page(Ehsan.Akbar) (4/16/2012)
Henrico Bekker (4/15/2012)
Yeah, dont think DM is the right tool for your game....so my problem is which information should be inserted in my database as an input ?
this is my idea: i want to insert all position of my players(x,y) and other team's position so and the sequence of the ball's position .do you think this is going to be my input ?
I don't know, your game, your ideas 🙂
Last but not least, I understand some people has used DM techniques to simulate some board combinational games like a 3x3 chess sort of game but I do not think you can use DM to simulate a soccer game - at least not with the processing power you can get, you are talking about a matrix of millions-x-millions where stuff happens dynamically.
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Pablo (Paul) BerzukovAuthor of Understanding Database Administration available at Amazon and other bookstores.
Disclaimer: Advice is provided to the best of my knowledge but no implicit or explicit warranties are provided. Since the advisor explicitly encourages testing any and all suggestions on a test non-production environment advisor should not held liable or responsible for any actions taken based on the given advice. -
Soccer (football in the rest of the world) is such a dynamic game I really don't see how data mining could be used here.
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PaulB-TheOneAndOnly (4/16/2012)
Larry Page(Ehsan.Akbar) (4/16/2012)
Henrico Bekker (4/15/2012)
Yeah, dont think DM is the right tool for your game....so my problem is which information should be inserted in my database as an input ?
this is my idea: i want to insert all position of my players(x,y) and other team's position so and the sequence of the ball's position .do you think this is going to be my input ?
I don't know, your game, your ideas 🙂
Last but not least, I understand some people has used DM techniques to simulate some board combinational games like a 3x3 chess sort of game but I do not think you can use DM to simulate a soccer game - at least not with the processing power you can get, you are talking about a matrix of millions-x-millions where stuff happens dynamically.
why do you think this method couldn't be the answer?
so if you give the data mining model a lot of method that can be goal you can find a pattern from these data .
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baaaaaaaaaaaaaleh!!! (Ehs_Akb) -
In something like tic-tac-toe, chess, or checkers moves occur asynchronously; i.e. team a, then team b, then team a, etc... This is not the case in football (soccer for me). Also, more than 1 player can ultimately occupy the same space as another in football. So, you have all people moving at all times, the ball moving at all times, and more than one person can occupy the same space at one time. This is a horrible model to demonstrate data mining...
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CE - Microsoft
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