September 15, 2011 at 1:00 am
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September 15, 2011 at 3:44 am
I do believe that the could is the way to go in the future, but you would own your own cloud and have the data yourself.
However, the clouds available today is nothing but virtualized server parks with a lot of restrictions as well as unclear price / performance model.
September 15, 2011 at 5:17 am
So what's the quickest/easiest way to learn about (SQL) Azure?
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September 15, 2011 at 7:21 am
andreas_ (9/15/2011)
So what's the quickest/easiest way to learn about (SQL) Azure?
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"stewsterl 80804 (10/16/2009)I guess when you stop and try to understand the solution provided you not only learn, but save yourself some headaches when you need to make any slight changes."
September 15, 2011 at 7:22 am
"...we would all stand up in our cubes..."
that's an excellent reporting mechanism, Steve...:-D
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September 15, 2011 at 7:44 am
IceDread (9/15/2011)
I do believe that the could is the way to go in the future, but you would own your own cloud and have the data yourself.However, the clouds available today is nothing but virtualized server parks with a lot of restrictions as well as unclear price / performance model.
AMEN! Add in unsecure, significant risk of data loss (when the company folds) and modify price to extremely high!
We are getting a lot of our systems quoted as "cloud", which means different things to different people. The costs are outrageous.
Let's see, outsourcing is going to help companies and increase job satisfaction by allowing people to work on more challenging work. Result - the loss of millions of jobs in America, poor quality work by the outsource providers, companies are now starting to recognize it is a mistake.
Let's see, cloud is going to help companies and increase job satisfaction by allowing people to work on more challenging work. Who wants to bet the results will be just as bad.
Dave
September 15, 2011 at 9:11 am
Assumptions to verify for the cloud:
1. The security environment is suitable
2. SLA is ironclad and something you can live with
3. Response time performance to inquiries and issue reports is satisfactory
4. Transparency (3rd party audits, you ability to 'see into' the cloud) is acceptable
Given these four, then take easily isolated applications that are not terribly mission critical and send them skyward! If it's got truly sensitive information (e.g., corporate financials, PII, banking information, etc), then consider partitioning off a 'private cloud' either internally or with a boutique 3rd party vendor for whom the higher bar of assumptions 1-4 can be satisfied.
When all is said and done, the 'cloud' is just another tool in the toolkit. Use it when it's appropriate. You don't use a sledgehammer to remove a screw from a light switch so you can replace the switch. Nor do you use a pair of tweezers to pick up a 25 pound sack of groceries.
September 15, 2011 at 11:15 am
steve smith-401573 (9/15/2011)
Assumptions to verify for the cloud:1. The security environment is suitable
2. SLA is ironclad and something you can live with
3. Response time performance to inquiries and issue reports is satisfactory
4. Transparency (3rd party audits, you ability to 'see into' the cloud) is acceptable
Given these four, then take easily isolated applications that are not terribly mission critical and send them skyward! If it's got truly sensitive information (e.g., corporate financials, PII, banking information, etc), then consider partitioning off a 'private cloud' either internally or with a boutique 3rd party vendor for whom the higher bar of assumptions 1-4 can be satisfied.
When all is said and done, the 'cloud' is just another tool in the toolkit. Use it when it's appropriate. You don't use a sledgehammer to remove a screw from a light switch so you can replace the switch. Nor do you use a pair of tweezers to pick up a 25 pound sack of groceries.
5. Backups and restores can be tested, including deliberately induced corruption recovery
6. The legal/seizure environment is suitable (if the FBI or whatever nation it's hosted in has their federal internal law enforcement officers enter the provider to seize a few racks of equipment, are the results acceptable to you)
7. You have a plan for pulling your apps and data off the "cloud" that's updated regularly (particularly as your data grows; you're not pulling 10TB of data off a 1Mbps connection in a reasonable timeframe).
September 15, 2011 at 6:58 pm
steve smith-401573 (9/15/2011)
If it's got truly sensitive information (e.g., corporate financials, PII, banking information, etc), then consider partitioning off a 'private cloud' either internally or with a boutique 3rd party vendor for whom the higher bar of assumptions 1-4 can be satisfied.
You made some good points, but my main issue with cloud marketing comes out in your response. "Cloud" is not defined. If this communication was in C++ the compiler would crash!
Cloud is being sold as a form of outsourcing. If it is a private cloud in my data center, how does that make it a cloud or change what I am doing? If it is VMWare or other virtulization, call it that, not cloud. If it is an external private cloud, then I argue it isn't private! If it is.... and do on!
Not that I disagree with what you said, because you do have good points - I just don't like the marketing hype where we sell an apple (not the company by the way!) or an orange and call it a cloud. I would not be surprised to see someone market toe nail clippings as good for you at some point, hell we already sell botulism to improve one's looks.
I don't know if I have more disrespect for sales, marketing, or the legal profession. I am quite disenchanted with what I think are very intelligent people who don't learn from history, and are repeating the same failed experiments of the past because someone painted a rosy picture.
Again, as you pointed out, there may be reasons to have something hosted by a third party. But even in those cases, I don't see the value. I can reduce my energy costs and server costs quite a bit using real technology instead of some (failed?) business model that just hasn't failed yet.
My opinion, I realize it isn't worth the bits this message will be stored as.
Dave
September 15, 2011 at 7:00 pm
6. The legal/seizure environment is suitable (if the FBI or whatever nation it's hosted in has their federal internal law enforcement officers enter the provider to seize a few racks of equipment, are the results acceptable to you)
One even my cynical view missed. I like it!
Dave
September 16, 2011 at 10:07 am
djackson 22568 (9/15/2011)
steve smith-401573 (9/15/2011)
If it is a private cloud in my data center, how does that make it a cloud or change what I am doing? If it is VMWare or other virtulization, call it that, not cloud.
Dave, the issue again is that a "Cloud" is not clearly defined at this time. To then define what a private cloud is can be more of a challenge. But the central idea of your post to me is the question concerning "how does that make it a cloud?"
If your infrastructure is set to run a couple of VM's I agree, why should we consider that as a cloud. However, if the configuration includes the ability of the infrastructure to spawn additional data and process servers or platforms on demand, then you are closer to a real cloud. A simple fixed configuration of a limited number is not a cloud, but when you add the dynamic expanding and contracting of collections of platforms on demand, that redefines the entity some would call a private cloud.
M.
Not all gray hairs are Dinosaurs!
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