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April 21, 2010 at 11:25 am

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john.schenck SSC Veteran Points: 296 More actions · Answer 1

Two other important changes

15-25% increase in price

EE is now limited to 4 VM's (2008 was unlimited)

Compression in SE is a good feature.

alen teplitsky SSC-Dedicated Points: 30014 More actions · Answer 2

hardware is a lot more powerful and cheaper today than it was a few years ago so you can consolidate a lot more databases on one machine. MS is going to sell a lot less server licenses of R2 than previous versions.

few years ago our first x64 servers cost $30,000 to $40,000 each for dual quad core, 32GB of RAM and a few other features. this week i was emailed a quote for a Proliant G6 with dual hexacore, 72GB of RAM, 5 year 4hr response time support, advanced ilo and other extra monitoring features for $15000 a server. HP says that you can get a 20 to 1 consolidation ratio of Proliant G4 and earlier hardware going to Proliant G6. even at 10 to 1 it's a huge $$$ savings

john.schenck SSC Veteran Points: 296 More actions · Answer 3

true - but if you have near term plans for consolidation you may need to get DC edition along with Windows server DC

also as an fyi anyone who has a software assurance subscription on their current SQL 2008 is grandfathered into the current licensing, even under 2008R2 - verbal from a 'tech demo' I attended this week. "Check with your sales rep"

tgarland Hall of Fame Points: 3367 More actions · Answer 4

Does any one know if R2 allows for partial/suffix word searching in FTS? I had heard that was the plan a while back but am not able to find anything in the documentation about it being part of the release. Thanks.

SanjayAttray SSChampion Points: 13157 More actions · Answer 5

Is there any white papers released for Data Center is a new edition. Please let us know.

I would like to see them as we had a new project coming in 4 - 6 months.

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alen teplitsky SSC-Dedicated Points: 30014 More actions · Answer 6

john.schenck (4/22/2010)
true - but if you have near term plans for consolidation you may need to get DC edition along with Windows server DC
also as an fyi anyone who has a software assurance subscription on their current SQL 2008 is grandfathered into the current licensing, even under 2008R2 - verbal from a 'tech demo' I attended this week. "Check with your sales rep"

i looked at what DC supports and that's mostly for fortune 100 companies and larger. to get more than 8 CPUs in a HP server you have to go Integrity which is very expensive by itself.

for the first 6 years of this decade we ran our main sql servers on a pair of Compaq DL 760's 8U servers. today you can get a 1U DL 360 that will smoke it. we use 2U's just because the price is the same but the expandability is a lot better. DL 380 G6's will take up to 16 2.5" hard drives. depending on the environment it's probably cheaper to buy a little more servers and use Standard or Enterprise than buy fewer Integrity servers and use the DC edition

for the VM's at least in our case we can just consolidate 5-10 servers worth of databases on 1 machine with current hardware and it will be faster. in most cases for us we don't need to virtuialize to keep the current server names, etc

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736212 More actions · Answer 7

Some info on the launch site: http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/tour/en/default.aspx

I don't know if there are data center specific stuff out there. It's more feature driven.

GabyYYZ SSCertifiable Points: 7913 More actions · Answer 8

We luckily have the current 2008 Enterprise (larger CPU limit) installed. Will Microsoft continue to support this edition, and if so, will they adjust up the pricing for this edition?

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Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736212 More actions · Answer 9

Do you mean can you upgrade to R2 with Enterprise and use more than 8 CPUs? No.

If you have a 16 or 32 CPU box on SQL 2008, it's supported. However in R2, you would have to upgrade to Data Center.

GabyYYZ SSCertifiable Points: 7913 More actions · Answer 10

Steve Jones - Editor (4/22/2010)
Do you mean can you upgrade to R2 with Enterprise and use more than 8 CPUs? No.
If you have a 16 or 32 CPU box on SQL 2008, it's supported. However in R2, you would have to upgrade to Data Center.

Will they let us install any new boxes with the previous 2008 Enterprise? Sorry, I should have been clearer and added that caveat.

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Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736212 More actions · Answer 11

If you buy it, you have downgrade rights. Do you mean can you buy SQL 2008 Enterprise in July and install it on old 16 way boxes? Likely not from MS. They'll phase 2008 out of channel quickly.

If you buy 2008 R2 enterprise, can you downgrade and install SQL 2008 Ent on 16 ways? That's interesting. Don't know, but I'll ask.

SQLRNNR SSC Guru Points: 281334 More actions · Answer 12

Steve Jones - Editor (4/22/2010)
Do you mean can you upgrade to R2 with Enterprise and use more than 8 CPUs? No.
If you have a 16 or 32 CPU box on SQL 2008, it's supported. However in R2, you would have to upgrade to Data Center.

I'm not sure I like that. I guess you could split your databases between two instances and assign certain instances to certain procs. Otherwise it seems it could get a bit more pricey.

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GabyYYZ SSCertifiable Points: 7913 More actions · Answer 13

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Steve Jones - Editor (4/22/2010)
Do you mean can you upgrade to R2 with Enterprise and use more than 8 CPUs? No.
If you have a 16 or 32 CPU box on SQL 2008, it's supported. However in R2, you would have to upgrade to Data Center.
I'm not sure I like that. I guess you could split your databases between two instances and assign certain instances to certain procs. Otherwise it seems it could get a bit more pricey.

Arrghhh...what Microsoft giveth, it taketh away.

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Hmmm...just got a followup email from our Microsoft TAM. He'll be double checking with one of his experts, but he sees no reason we can't keep using regular SQL 2008 Enterprise, but obviously end of support issues will come into play as well. This will be interesting...more to come.

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john.schenck SSC Veteran Points: 296 More actions · Answer 14

You need to check with your reps, seems very difficult to find someone who can answer licensing questions definitively BUT locally our rep said that if you have SQL2008 EE with software assurance you can upgrade to SQL2008R2 under the current 2008 licensing. - Software assurance 'grandfathers' you into the current licensing.