Subroutines in TSQL

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Subroutines in TSQL

sihaab

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January 14, 2010 at 12:48 pm

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I am a heavy TSQL coder, I love the many aspects of TSQL but I always wonder why we should not have a sub-routines in TSQL as other languages, why should I create a function for it. Many times, I write ad-hoc script and not necessarily useful for others but me, because I heavily involved in data analysis process. Sub-routines are very useful for anyone who loves programming.
How can we convince Microsoft to Include this facility in TSQL?
Ideas appreciated.

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Lynn Pettis SSC Guru Points: 442467 More actions · Answer 1

Curious how you would use a subroutine in T-SQL. Can you show an example of how this would work if it were possible?

GSquared SSC Guru Points: 260824 More actions · Answer 2

I guess I'm not clear on what you mean by subroutines here. One stored procedure can call others, which is how I'm used to thinking of subroutines - code called by other code. Is that not what you mean?

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sihaab SSCommitted Points: 1742 More actions · Answer 3

Try this and more on Google as well...

http://www.codeproject.com/KB/aspnet/VBnet_Methods.aspx

GSquared SSC Guru Points: 260824 More actions · Answer 4

sihaab (1/14/2010)

Try this and more on Google as well...

http://www.codeproject.com/KB/aspnet/VBnet_Methods.aspx%5B/quote%5D

That's talking about exactly what I already mentioned: Stored procedures called by other stored procedures. (That's the SQL version of it anyway.) The article needs editing (the English in it is pretty mangled), but it's a pretty basic explanation of the process. In SQL, it's done by creating a stored procedure, and then having other scripts or procedures call it.

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sihaab SSCommitted Points: 1742 More actions · Answer 5

Sub routines are not stored procedures or functions. Subroutines can reside in the same stored procedure or function or in ad-hoc TSQL scripts. Normally, this is achieved by TSQL GOTO and LABEL commands, but subroutines give more flexibilities to the scripts. I hope my explanation helps...

Ray K SSC-Dedicated Points: 31163 More actions · Answer 6

I think I understand where you're going with this.

How would a subroutine work in a set-based, rather than a RBAR, environment?

If you have any examples to provide, please enlighten us!

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Ray K SSC-Dedicated Points: 31163 More actions · Answer 7

Another question (again, I think I understand, but I'm looking to clarify): how would a subroutine differ from a CTE? What would a subroutine do that a CTE can't do?

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sihaab SSCommitted Points: 1742 More actions · Answer 8

Think of a subroutine as a function but this function resides at the same procedure, not outside of the procedure. For example, if you call a function from a stored procedure or from an ad-hot script, you have to have the function created and saved at the database. If that function is not useful after this ad-hot script, then you have to delete it from the database as well. In that case, I can convert this function as a subroutine in my script and I don't have to create any function at all. There are plenty of examples on the web for subroutines. We can still use TSQL efficiently without subroutines for sure... I am just thinking what if we have it...

Here is link for VBScript subroutines..

http://www.go4expert.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4098

Ray K SSC-Dedicated Points: 31163 More actions · Answer 9

I come from a VBScript/VB.NET/OOP background myself, so I understand the subroutine concept! 🙂

I'm just trying to see how it's applicable to SQL. Since I've lived on both sides of the SQL/OOP fence, I'm wondering what kind of an advantage a SQL subroutine would have over anything that already exists.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to shoot down your idea (in fact, I think it's intriguing). I'm just trying to figure out how it would apply to SQL (and maybe play a little bit of devil's advocate)! 😉

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Conan The Canadian Ten Centuries Points: 1335 More actions · Answer 10

I'm at a bit of a loss...

I have years of VB experience and now I code all day long in SQL Stored Procedures. I have never found a reason for having a sub process...

If I'm doing something that is complex more than once, I try to do it once and save off the results so that I can refer back to those instead of running the complex code again.

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Ray K SSC-Dedicated Points: 31163 More actions · Answer 11

Conan The Coder (1/14/2010)
If I'm doing something that is complex more than once, I try to do it once and save off the results so that I can refer back to those instead of running the complex code again.

This is a very good point. If there's one thing I've learned about lurking around these forums, it's that a good chunk of SQL is about efficient processing. I'm wondering how much processing time would be added by using a subroutine call to regenerate data, rather than using something that already exists.

Like I said before, I do think the idea is interesting. It's just that, unless it provides a very clear advantage over existing tools, I don't see it happening.

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Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004339 More actions · Answer 12

I'm not a GUI programmer and it's been years since I've touched even VB6 never mind VB.Net. But it sounds like a cursor (GAH!) could serve as a "subroutine".

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RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
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SwePeso SSC-Dedicated Points: 39757 More actions · Answer 13

You can do this with SQL Server 2008 and the new table value parameters.

If you are working on a set of data, you can pass that set of data to another procedure for further processing.

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Ray K SSC-Dedicated Points: 31163 More actions · Answer 14

Jeff Moden (1/14/2010)
But it sounds like a cursor (GAH!) could serve as a "subroutine".

I'll bet it was really painful for you to type this! 😀

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