August 30, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Comments posted to this topic are about the item Salaries and Experience
August 31, 2010 at 1:43 am
Hi Steve,
Your lines below are very impressive and makes DBAs to think twice before they make decision weather to stick back to same role or change role to explore more/new.
"They could have one year of experience ten times, or ten different years of experience (or some combination). The point is that you should be continually expanding on your experiences, not just relying on skills you learned a long time ago.
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August 31, 2010 at 2:11 am
Learning in life is a road that ends only when you die. The truly wise person listens along the way. 😀
"Technology is a weird thing. It brings you great gifts with one hand, and it stabs you in the back with the other. ...:-D"
August 31, 2010 at 3:53 am
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I was surprised to hear you played rugby?! Have even more respect for you now 😀
August 31, 2010 at 5:53 am
I was once told by an HR person that competitor's salaries for IT had been reviewed and our company was well within the salary range. Nearly the entire IT staff jumped from that sinking ship, many DOUBLING their salaries.
The "particular company" comment is dead-on. 😉
August 31, 2010 at 5:55 am
Too bad salaries have stagnated over the last 10 years. I see DBA jobs advertised at the same pay - sometimes less - that what I was earning 10 years ago. I have increased my earning power by moving into higher-value areas (like BI). It's not good enough anymore to have 10 years of experience doing something. You have to take your experience, compound it with knowledge and soak it in strategy to earn a better salary.
James Stover, McDBA
August 31, 2010 at 6:21 am
mike.styers (8/31/2010)
I was once told by an HR person that competitor's salaries for IT had been reviewed and our company was well within the salary range. Nearly the entire IT staff jumped from that sinking ship, many DOUBLING their salaries.The "particular company" comment is dead-on. 😉
First off, always believe about half of what anyone from HR tells you. They have to push the companies agenda, so they are not always objective or truthful, to say the least. I liken most of them to glorified car salesmen. They will feed you a line just to get you to buy it and get you out of their office. Watch the movie Fargo. 😀
"Technology is a weird thing. It brings you great gifts with one hand, and it stabs you in the back with the other. ...:-D"
August 31, 2010 at 6:57 am
I just felt bad for the HR person trying to pitch the corporate lie which she clearly didn't believe either but needed to keep her job. To her credit, she did her best. :hehe:
August 31, 2010 at 7:37 am
mike.styers (8/31/2010)
I just felt bad for the HR person trying to pitch the corporate lie which she clearly didn't believe either but needed to keep her job. To her credit, she did her best. :hehe:
Yep, know exactly what you mean, bro. They do have to be careful about how far they take corporate lies though. That's how lawsuits are born today. Just watch the news nowadays. 😀
"Technology is a weird thing. It brings you great gifts with one hand, and it stabs you in the back with the other. ...:-D"
August 31, 2010 at 8:19 am
TVR (8/31/2010)
-- ** Not SQL related... **--I was surprised to hear you played rugby?! Have even more respect for you now 😀
2 years in college. Started in the UK, played a bit of 2nd row and then dropped to the "B" team so I could get out of there. Moved to (overly large) scrum half).
August 31, 2010 at 8:33 am
Steve Jones - Editor (8/31/2010)
2 years in college. Started in the UK, played a bit of 2nd row and then dropped to the "B" team so I could get out of there. Moved to (overly large) scrum half).
Yeah, the second row is a tough place to be, it doesn't take long for those cauliflower ears to pop up 😛
August 31, 2010 at 8:59 am
Experience is a good piece of the puzzle and there are several ways to get it as you mentioned - thanks.
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August 31, 2010 at 9:36 am
Over all, and generally speaking, I agree with your article, Steve. However, Dave Campbell, a good friend of mine, who is a developer and a MVP in Silverlight, has recently been terminated from his job. He's in his early 60's, and things for him, are not at all looking good at this point. He's blogged about it here. (I recommend reading both his article the blog post that Dave references at the top of his blog post.) I'm not as old as him, but am probably older than some on this forum. Reading things like this puts a chill down my back.
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August 31, 2010 at 10:07 am
That's an interesting blog. I sympathize with older coders, and especially as we have too many managers that mistake hours for productivity. I'd like to think that many of the coders out there are better at writing code, but what I find is that so many people spend their career digging into code without trying to be better. Without trying to learn how to be a better coder. Or how to think through problems more efficiently.
It is hard with startups, and there is some truth to the fact that older workers that lose employment may not be worth the same amount on the open market. That's a fact of life in many industries. You should be planning for the future here, thinking about the future as you go through life.
August 31, 2010 at 10:19 am
Thank you for your response, Steve. My friend, Dave that I referenced in my reply, is one who does his best to remain current. Silverlight is a technology that is gaining excitement and a following, but still is new, so not that many people are into it. And he's also into Windows Phone 7, which uses Silverlight. I think that his one leakness may be that he's not particularly good in an interview. Something that many in IT (I use that phrase in the larger sense of both infrastructure support as well as development) tend to be poor at. Anyway, besides continually educating oneself on newer technologies and methodologies, I also think it is useful to learn and maintain an ability to interact with others.
Kindest Regards, Rod Connect with me on LinkedIn.
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