Are the posted questions getting worse?

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Eirikur Eiriksson SSC Guru Points: 182912 More actions · Answer 1

Jeff Moden (11/12/2016)
Eirikur Eiriksson (11/12/2016)
What a spamtastic Saturday morning:pinch:
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Indeed it has been. I've personally hidden about 100 spam posts in the last 4 to 5 hours. The bots are having a field day today. I hope the folks at SSC release whatever fix they're thinking of soon. This has gotten totally out of hand. Although it's certainly gotten worse, it's not a new problem. I told folks at SSC several years ago that it was going to get much worse. They mostly brushed it off as a low occurrence they could handle manually.

Thanks Jeff, really appreciate the effort

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Ed Wagner SSC Guru Points: 287026 More actions · Answer 2

Eirikur Eiriksson (11/12/2016)
Jeff Moden (11/12/2016)
Eirikur Eiriksson (11/12/2016)
What a spamtastic Saturday morning:pinch:
😎
Indeed it has been. I've personally hidden about 100 spam posts in the last 4 to 5 hours. The bots are having a field day today. I hope the folks at SSC release whatever fix they're thinking of soon. This has gotten totally out of hand. Although it's certainly gotten worse, it's not a new problem. I told folks at SSC several years ago that it was going to get much worse. They mostly brushed it off as a low occurrence they could handle manually.
Thanks Jeff, really appreciate the effort
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And they're still at it. I just hid a bunch, but nowhere near 100. They're also posting to locations I can't delete from, so they'll have to hang around until Steve gets to them.

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TomThomson SSC Guru Points: 104773 More actions · Answer 3

Eirikur Eiriksson (11/11/2016)
All the marbles should be in order, Relating to the new attached glues.
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Not certain how to read these requirements.

I read them (together with other parts of that thread) as "My marbles are all over the place, please tell me how to glue them back together before I lose them completely"; of course, no-one can possible say that before their marbles are irretrievably lost.

Tom

Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 4

Ed Wagner (11/12/2016)
I just hid a bunch

How???

I'm sick of just reporting them and having the spam hang around for hours afterwards

Gail Shaw
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Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004366 More actions · Answer 5

GilaMonster (11/13/2016)
Ed Wagner (11/12/2016)
I just hid a bunch
How???
I'm sick of just reporting them and having the spam hang around for hours afterwards

Ask Steve to give you the privs to do hides and deletes. I learned my lesson early and never do deletes.

BUT... I think people like us doing hides is perpetuating the problem. What they really need to do is to automate the obvious. For example, someone with less than 10 posts posting URL only posts needs to be hidden automatically because that accounts for something like 90% of all the SPAM. Shoot... one of us could do that detection using only T-SQL.

What I don't understand is how this has become such a problem. SQLTeam and other forums don't seem to have this problem. Is it because of the small hoops new members have to jump through to become members or something else? Whatever it is, it seems to be "bot resistant" where it doesn't appear that new member signups for SSC is.

I do wish they'd fix it soon.

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Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736270 More actions · Answer 6

Thanks, Jeff, and we do appreciate the efforts.

Our forum software is old, and it has issues with SPAM. There are developers looking to upgrade things to a more modern architecture and spam features, but it takes time. Supposedly all development is done and we are moving to performance testing this week.

SQLTeam and some other places use Discours, which is the open side of Stack Exchange. We decided not to go that route.

Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 7

Jeff Moden (11/13/2016)
GilaMonster (11/13/2016)
Ed Wagner (11/12/2016)
I just hid a bunch
How???
I'm sick of just reporting them and having the spam hang around for hours afterwards
Ask Steve to give you the privs to do hides and deletes. I learned my lesson early and never do deletes.

Steve?

I'm on in the mornings (Europe timezones) and it's horrible. Almost unusable.

Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability

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Thomas Rushton SSC-Insane Points: 22649 More actions · Answer 8

GilaMonster (11/14/2016)
Jeff Moden (11/13/2016)
GilaMonster (11/13/2016)
Ed Wagner (11/12/2016)
I just hid a bunch
How???
I'm sick of just reporting them and having the spam hang around for hours afterwards
Ask Steve to give you the privs to do hides and deletes. I learned my lesson early and never do deletes.
Steve?
I'm on in the mornings (Europe timezones) and it's horrible. Almost unusable.

I've cleared another load, but I don't have the rights / permissions to do a thorough clear out - Steve's not given me permissions everywhere. 🙁

Thomas Rushton
blog: https://thelonedba.wordpress.com

Ed Wagner SSC Guru Points: 287026 More actions · Answer 9

GilaMonster (11/14/2016)
Jeff Moden (11/13/2016)
GilaMonster (11/13/2016)
Ed Wagner (11/12/2016)
I just hid a bunch
How???
I'm sick of just reporting them and having the spam hang around for hours afterwards
Ask Steve to give you the privs to do hides and deletes. I learned my lesson early and never do deletes.
Steve?
I'm on in the mornings (Europe timezones) and it's horrible. Almost unusable.

I had permission to hide things in specific forums, but never do deletes either. The weekends are the worst times I see, but I know what you mean by European mornings being bad because I typically have a bunch of reports from 3:00-ish AM.

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Ed Wagner SSC Guru Points: 287026 More actions · Answer 10

ThomasRushton (11/14/2016)
GilaMonster (11/14/2016)
Jeff Moden (11/13/2016)
GilaMonster (11/13/2016)
Ed Wagner (11/12/2016)
I just hid a bunch
How???
I'm sick of just reporting them and having the spam hang around for hours afterwards
Ask Steve to give you the privs to do hides and deletes. I learned my lesson early and never do deletes.
Steve?
I'm on in the mornings (Europe timezones) and it's horrible. Almost unusable.
I've cleared another load, but I don't have the rights / permissions to do a thorough clear out - Steve's not given me permissions everywhere. 🙁

Me either. The XML forum had a bunch last night and a couple of others were right behind it.

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Brandie Tarvin SSC Guru Points: 173068 More actions · Answer 11

AGGGGGHHHHHH!

I don't know if I'm having a language barrier issue with this vendor rep or if this person is truly this clueless.

VendorRep: Make sure to restore this copy of this database before we start the release tonight.

Me: Can we do it during the day or do we have to wait until right before our release starts.

VendorRep: Restore it before the release tonight.

Me: Let me be clearer. Is the database currently used for day-to-day operations? Will restoring it during the day disrupt any users?

VendorRep: It's currently used as read only. It won't be used until after the release so restore it any time.

Me: Um, it's either used or not used. Read only counts as used. Will we be causing any disruption for the users if we restore it?

VendorRep: The database doesn't currently exist in Production...

I can't even parse the rest of that email because I'm freaking out that this person doesn't know the state of our environment well enough to understand that YES, this database DOES exist in production. The version of the DB we're supposed to restore is a newer, shinier version than what we currently have, but the database itself does indeed already exist.

So now I'm having to call this reps coworkers and leave messages asking them to step into the email chain and help me make sense of what this particular rep (who is a developer) is saying. And this is not the first time this rep has completely misunderstood or ignored what we are saying...

I foresee a really long day ahead of me.

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Phil Parkin SSC Guru Points: 246965 More actions · Answer 12

Brandie Tarvin (11/14/2016)
AGGGGGHHHHHH!
I don't know if I'm having a language barrier issue with this vendor rep or if this person is truly this clueless.
VendorRep: Make sure to restore this copy of this database before we start the release tonight.
Me: Can we do it during the day or do we have to wait until right before our release starts.
VendorRep: Restore it before the release tonight.
Me: Let me be clearer. Is the database currently used for day-to-day operations? Will restoring it during the day disrupt any users?
VendorRep: It's currently used as read only. It won't be used until after the release so restore it any time.
Me: Um, it's either used or not used. Read only counts as used. Will we be causing any disruption for the users if we restore it?
VendorRep: The database doesn't currently exist in Production...
I can't even parse the rest of that email because I'm freaking out that this person doesn't know the state of our environment well enough to understand that YES, this database DOES exist in production. The version of the DB we're supposed to restore is a newer, shinier version than what we currently have, but the database itself does indeed already exist.
So now I'm having to call this reps coworkers and leave messages asking them to step into the email chain and help me make sense of what this particular rep (who is a developer) is saying. And this is not the first time this rep has completely misunderstood or ignored what we are saying...
I foresee a really long day ahead of me.

I expect much better than that from a developer. Maybe an Objective-C developer? :hehe:

You have my sympathy.

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Eirikur Eiriksson SSC Guru Points: 182912 More actions · Answer 13

Brandie Tarvin (11/14/2016)
AGGGGGHHHHHH!
I don't know if I'm having a language barrier issue with this vendor rep or if this person is truly this clueless.
VendorRep: Make sure to restore this copy of this database before we start the release tonight.
Me: Can we do it during the day or do we have to wait until right before our release starts.
VendorRep: Restore it before the release tonight.
Me: Let me be clearer. Is the database currently used for day-to-day operations? Will restoring it during the day disrupt any users?
VendorRep: It's currently used as read only. It won't be used until after the release so restore it any time.
Me: Um, it's either used or not used. Read only counts as used. Will we be causing any disruption for the users if we restore it?
VendorRep: The database doesn't currently exist in Production...
I can't even parse the rest of that email because I'm freaking out that this person doesn't know the state of our environment well enough to understand that YES, this database DOES exist in production. The version of the DB we're supposed to restore is a newer, shinier version than what we currently have, but the database itself does indeed already exist.
So now I'm having to call this reps coworkers and leave messages asking them to step into the email chain and help me make sense of what this particular rep (who is a developer) is saying. And this is not the first time this rep has completely misunderstood or ignored what we are saying...
I foresee a really long day ahead of me.

This is exactly what Mondays are for.

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Ed Wagner SSC Guru Points: 287026 More actions · Answer 14

Eirikur Eiriksson (11/14/2016)
Brandie Tarvin (11/14/2016)
AGGGGGHHHHHH!
I don't know if I'm having a language barrier issue with this vendor rep or if this person is truly this clueless.
VendorRep: Make sure to restore this copy of this database before we start the release tonight.
Me: Can we do it during the day or do we have to wait until right before our release starts.
VendorRep: Restore it before the release tonight.
Me: Let me be clearer. Is the database currently used for day-to-day operations? Will restoring it during the day disrupt any users?
VendorRep: It's currently used as read only. It won't be used until after the release so restore it any time.
Me: Um, it's either used or not used. Read only counts as used. Will we be causing any disruption for the users if we restore it?
VendorRep: The database doesn't currently exist in Production...
I can't even parse the rest of that email because I'm freaking out that this person doesn't know the state of our environment well enough to understand that YES, this database DOES exist in production. The version of the DB we're supposed to restore is a newer, shinier version than what we currently have, but the database itself does indeed already exist.
So now I'm having to call this reps coworkers and leave messages asking them to step into the email chain and help me make sense of what this particular rep (who is a developer) is saying. And this is not the first time this rep has completely misunderstood or ignored what we are saying...
I foresee a really long day ahead of me.
This is exactly what Mondays are for.
😎

Whatever you do, I'd take a copy only backup of your production database and put it somewhere safe. While you're at it, take a copy only backup of every other database the release touched. I'd also have the applications backed up as well. If it were me, I'd want the ability to restore the environment to exactly what it is now before they have the chance to render it non-operational.

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Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736270 More actions · Answer 15

GilaMonster (11/14/2016)
Jeff Moden (11/13/2016)
GilaMonster (11/13/2016)
Ed Wagner (11/12/2016)
I just hid a bunch
How???
I'm sick of just reporting them and having the spam hang around for hours afterwards
Ask Steve to give you the privs to do hides and deletes. I learned my lesson early and never do deletes.
Steve?
I'm on in the mornings (Europe timezones) and it's horrible. Almost unusable.

I would be happy to make you a moderator, but it consumes lots of bandwidth. The #$%#$@# way the forums are setup is you'll get hundreds more, maybe low thousands, of kb for every thread. That was an issue last time we debated this.